VN Ren'Py Black Rose -A Netori Story- [v0.4] [WinteryEdge]

Mommysbuttslut · Apr 21, 2023

Raziel_8 said:
Ok, this blackmail is just strange...like what is the big deal here ?
They are blackmailed that the MC has sex with his friends wife, with consent of all partys...yet seeing how he, or others if you don't go along with the blackmail, react is just weird.
Why should anyone care about that to that degree or that this ruins their lifes, i don't get it. At best they would get a some stares from the more conservative neighbours or colleagues, who cares...

The MC honestly feels more like a protaganist in a netorare story with how he always acts.
And i kind of hoped that we actually 'steal' or cuck the other husbands, but this seems more like everyone is giving their consent first, asking the MC to do their wifes, which is kind of a downer.

It's Japan. They have a weird culture with this stuff. You get caught cheating on your wife and depending on social circumstance and how notorious it ends up being it could literally cost you your job. I know that sounds like a total exaggeration but silly shit like that happens all the time there.

I do agree with the whole wife stealing thing but I do think we're getting there. MC's buddy told him it's not cheating as long as they're only breeding. So if MC fucks her for any reason other than having a baby then it is cheating. So while she's pregnant sleeping with her would be wife stealing. There's a netorase to netorare pipeline, where a consensual swinging agreement breaks down from the heroine having sex outside the confines on the agreement. Maybe without the hubby's knowledge, or specifically without his permission. I haven't played the new update yet but I think that's the route we're going on that woman.

harvercode · Apr 21, 2023

I AM THE ONE WHO CUCKS - Ballter white

Liam the Handyman · Apr 21, 2023

nos4r3 · Apr 21, 2023

Read a first few page i don't really get this site it been this long why not made individual tag as Netorare, netori or netorase it would save lots of problem for once people would just stop asking is netori or netorare like you came in the thread but hate ntr see netorare tag you just close it end of story that would save people lots of times tbh ( mind you i'm not talk about this game since title is dead give away in this case )

Raziel_8 · Apr 21, 2023

Mommysbuttslut said:
It's Japan. They have a weird culture with this stuff. You get caught cheating on your wife and depending on social circumstance and how notorious it ends up being it could literally cost you your job. I know that sounds like a total exaggeration but silly shit like that happens all the time there.

I do agree with the whole wife stealing thing but I do think we're getting there. MC's buddy told him it's not cheating as long as they're only breeding. So if MC fucks her for any reason other than having a baby then it is cheating. So while she's pregnant sleeping with her would be wife stealing. There's a netorase to netorare pipeline, where a consensual swinging agreement breaks down from the heroine having sex outside the confines on the agreement. Maybe without the hubby's knowledge, or specifically without his permission. I haven't played the new update yet but I think that's the route we're going on that woman.

I mean, the whole point is that there is no cheating so far, the whole thing is a agreement under friends.
Which is why i find the blackmail so...nonsensical, same for MC's reaction to it, as if they did something wrong, for which they could be blackmailed for.
Now i'm not sure about the norms in japan, but i'm sure there are things like open relationships, polyamorous relationships, swingers etc, or you are getting blackmailed for that too ?

Well yeah, that is likely how it will progress. I would just prefer if the MC would do it without any consent of the husband and the husband not getting off on it (if that is what really happend in the last update).

Mommysbuttslut · Apr 21, 2023

Raziel_8 said:
Now i'm not sure about the norms in japan, but i'm sure there are things like open relationships, polyamorous relationships, swingers etc, or you are getting blackmailed for that too ?

Depends mostly on what your job is. Think about it this way, if it turned out that a US politician had 3 wives then there popularity would spike among probably about 15-20% of the population and everyone else would turn on them hard. Most CEOs would be removed by their board if it came out that they had 3 wives. It's not about whether it's loving open and consenting, it's about how it looks to the general public, as well as potential investors, customers and voters. In a country that's even more conservative about sex this starts applying to a lot more than just politicians and business leaders. If you're in a position where people are going to recognize you by your job then you're in a position where your private life could impact that job.

Lastly it'd be incredibly humiliating to his friend were he publicly outed as impotent or infertile or w/e his jam was. It'd also be very humiliating to his wife if it had gotten out that she's infertile. That's really private medical info by any cultural standard, but especially in a country like Japan. So even if MC's in a relatively fortunate position where this wouldn't impact him it would potentially hurt the people he cares for.

WinteryEdge · Apr 21, 2023

So I have an announcement I need to make.

There's been a transfer of ownership for this thread from the original poster, LazyBloodlines.
Over to me, WinteryEdge (creator of Black Rose).

I thank LazyBloodlines for creating this thread for my game, sharing it to everyone here.

And I thank the Staff & Users (BaasB, LightmanP, UncleVT) that helped me with the process of becoming a verified dev and posting an update to my game here.

I should probably also note there was a glitch in an earlier version of the 0.2 update, that halts the progress of Sachie's route (ends her Episode 2 right after the intermission period).
It's non-fatal, and easy to overcome.
But if you've run into that glitch, let me know (it shouldn't happen though).

zeraligator · Apr 21, 2023

What will that planned harem tag look like? Will it be a separate route or one of those classic 'better play through every single route to get the one you want' shabangers.

Liam the Handyman · Apr 21, 2023

This is one game where the ntr or cheating tag doesn't fit LOL

Time for cuckoldry or compersion tag

bobdillan · Apr 21, 2023

WinteryEdge Is/will the lesbian stuff be avoidable? (i.e. will this actually be harem, or is it just poly/lesbian sharing, with one dude.)

WinteryEdge · Apr 21, 2023

zeraligator said:
What will that planned harem tag look like? Will it be a separate route or one of those classic 'better play through every single route to get the one you want' shabangers.

Honestly, I'm planning for multiple (different) "harem" scenarios.
Without spoiling too much, I intend for it to be a little different from the usual harem scenarios in VNs.

I intend for one of them to be as a hidden ending, the player has to strategically discover.

But yeah, it will vary.

WinteryEdge · Apr 21, 2023

bobdillan said:
WinteryEdge Is/will the lesbian stuff be avoidable? (i.e. will this actually be harem, or is it just poly/lesbian sharing, with one dude.)

The yuri may not be unavoidable for one of the heroine's routes (though it would be more sexual, than anything else).

That said, I have many different scenarios in mind.

And I'm currently planning for many different scenarios and endings.

Apologies for the vague response, but I'm trying not to reveal too much.

bobdillan · Apr 21, 2023

WinteryEdge said:
The yuri may not be unavoidable for one of the heroine's routes (though it would be more sexual, than anything else).

That said, I have many different scenarios in mind.

And I'm currently planning for many different scenarios and endings.

Apologies for the vague response, but I'm trying not to reveal too much.

Just a quick note, if you mean in the context of a MFF threesome, that is different.
I mean pure lesbian only MC ain't there, i.e. they are involved with eachother.

I would suggest making it avoidable in the capacity that you can actually have a complete harem-only route, in what I assume you want to be primarily a harem game.

QuestionTime · Apr 21, 2023

bluerubber said:
Cut and pasted straight from the F95 site definitions:

NTR [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]

I'm pretty sure that means netorare only by that definition right?

"designed to cause jealousy" lmao then by their own definition most NTR isn't NTR because a lot of it isn't designed to cause jealousy. A lot of the time the cuck never even finds out.

QuestionTime · Apr 21, 2023

WinteryEdge said:
The yuri may not be unavoidable for one of the heroine's routes (though it would be more sexual, than anything else).

That said, I have many different scenarios in mind.

And I'm currently planning for many different scenarios and endings.

Apologies for the vague response, but I'm trying not to reveal too much.

Will the route with Yuri in it be tagged and/or avoidable?

bluerubber · Apr 21, 2023

QuestionTime said:
"designed to cause jealousy" lmao then by their own definition most NTR isn't NTR because a lot of it isn't designed to cause jealousy. A lot of the time the cuck never even finds out.

I didn't say they had even close to a decent definition, but it does eliminate netori from the equation. I'm just glad they finally stopped using the 3 letter word after 100 years of their own stubbornness.

Bobba Fetta Cheese · Apr 21, 2023

QuestionTime said:
"designed to cause jealousy" lmao then by their own definition most NTR isn't NTR because a lot of it isn't designed to cause jealousy. A lot of the time the cuck never even finds out.

So isn't it that the 'jealousy' supposed to be a feeling that the MC doesn't necessarily feel but you the player? Because you the player identify as the MC in these games. It's why people have no problem watching porn, but will feel 'possessive' when playing a porn game where a non-MC fucks the girl even if the MC doesn't know but you the player do.

Mommysbuttslut · Apr 21, 2023

Bobba Fetta Cheese said:
So isn't it that the 'jealousy' supposed to be a feeling that the MC doesn't necessarily feel but you the player? Because you the player identify as the MC in these games. It's why people have no problem watching porn, but will feel 'possessive' when playing a porn game where a non-MC fucks the girl even if the MC doesn't know but you the player do.

No, the player feeling jealousy is completely irrelevant. Otherwise netori would actually be netorare any time the player identified with the victim and felt jealous on their behalf. Not to mention the player feeling jealousy is too subjective to tag over.
For example there's that NTR Sword Art Online game that's been going around. I hate Kirito with a passion, I'd never feel jealous seeing him be cucked, but him getting cucked would still absolutely be NTR. Tags like that account for the character's reaction, not the player's.

Overlord070 · Apr 22, 2023

Raziel_8 said:
The MC honestly feels more like a protaganist in a netorare story with how he always acts.
And i kind of hoped that we actually 'steal' or cuck the other husbands, but this seems more like everyone is giving their consent first, asking the MC to do their wifes, which is kind of a downer.

Even ignoring the weird blackmail this is what bothered me the most, maybe he will grow more into it but jesus it's a bit hard to read at times.

Mommysbuttslut · Apr 22, 2023

Who tf is Jona to say this about literally anyone else

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